Meetings About This Wiki

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This page contains notes/minutes/ideas from meetings about this Rebel Wisdom wiki.

Pre-Meeting Notes

 * Experience with the Wiki so far
 * As new user
 * Creating Tutorials
 * Creating Content
 * Where to go from here?
 * Front page update
 * Additional content
 * Danie: Discuss what the real "point" (intention) of the RW Wiki (to guide us).
 * Steve's idea below about "Why I am Interested in this Wiki" will help flesh this out.
 * Steve idea: Would each person in meeting want to contribute to new Why I Am Interested In This Wiki page, where each person has a section where they put a few sentences about what they want to use the wiki for and why they are interested in being involved in it? I'll create page and add section, won't bother unless one or two others want to add sections.
 * Is this to help members navigate through the RW world? To offer a "Simplexity" perhaps?
 * How is RW Wiki different from Circle?
 * Is this to provide a place where the RW wisdom can be more enduring, useful, and not "languishing in irrelevance" (because Time has swallowed up yesterday's wisdoms in favor of "What's New" in Circle? -forgive the bit of a sting there.)
 * Example: see Matthias' very first post on the Wiki Space Proposal ---not wanting that to get swallowed up. (Steve: need help how to link to Circle cite here please.)
 * Circle feels like a place for the sparkle of spontaneous exchange...to flame, flicker...and move on. RW Wiki seems a different place.
 * Wiki could be a place to build a "body of enduring, distilling, yet permeable knowledge", maybe also a place about the knowledge methods and approaches and values that RW is developing?
 * How is this RW Wiki meant to become public?  ....and still be labeled as the RW Wiki (e.g there already is a public page on Plandemic - how would a RW page on Plandemic display?
 * Communication to the community
 * Steve idea: Contact again the 3 other people at https://rebel-wisdom.circle.so/c/spaceproposals/wiki-as-rebel-wisdom-knowledge-base who have expressed interest (Steve has summary of each person's interest which can discuss in meeting)
 * Danie here for later: "bringing up the rear" so we don't lose track of it (example of Time Swallowing Wisdoms)
 * from 11 Sept 2020 Meeting:
 * Avoiding getting too controlling (at the start anyway) about what goes on the site and how it structured??? Maybe if one person desires a particular structure or type of content or level of control then that can be done by having a Category of the site which forms a "sub-site" where all of that applies?  Some basic rules/idea/structure could be useful, but also want to create maximum level of "emergent" content and freedom on the site as well.
 * Steve: Worrying about keeping mess of collaboration separate from structured sensemaking. Decided with others to leave this until later (possibly could end up with 2 completely separate wikis to prevent pollution, but maybe MediaWiki could have something to solve that within one Wiki?) "Let's not put the cart before the horse here".
 * Danie - concerned that writing this Wiki involves a certain amount of interpreting.
 * Danie - really interested in MindMap of existing sensemaking (could STeve dig up?) + Matthius interested in whether we could use tool for MediaWiki to generate MindMap.
 * Matthias - Page on How to get started with Sensemaking
 * Danie - ask Brook and Alex Goodall for demonstration of how he uses Roam Research and The Liminal Learning Portal
 * Danie - ask Brook and Alex Goodall for demonstration of how he uses Roam Research and The Liminal Learning Portal

Zoom Details
Time: Oct 6, 2020 8:15 PM BST London

Join Zoom Meeting: https://zoom.us/j/91999085984?pwd=OFIrbllFN2Y4REJhMjJFS0VRcXVwQT09

Meeting ID: 919 9908 5984

Passcode: Find this on https://rebel-wisdom.circle.so/c/spaceproposals/wiki-as-rebel-wisdom-knowledge-base thread by searching for "2nd RW Wiki Meeting" (RW members only)

Minutes
Brooks mentioned possible idea about working related to:-

https://rebel-wisdom.circle.so/c/spaceproposals/the-case-for-an-after-zoom-room

Things to do:-


 * Matthius to put Landing Page live as Front Page.
 * Danie to:-
 * Go back to How To pages and give feedback.
 * Set up a page with content.
 * Steve - Create a Why I'm Interested In This Wiki page - with a paragraph.
 * Steve - Create page:-
 * This wiki is publicly accessible so please be careful what you publish and get consent regarding personal details and details of private conversations (details of what that means).
 * Please also see about difference content pages and discussion pages.
 * How can you decide if you have authority to create a new page?:-
 * If you feel you have something to offer of value to you/the community into the RW community your view/angle/take/knowledge about a particular subject/area e.g. Sensemaking.
 * Have I got good enough information/knowledge about this subject? A: If you feel you have enough to write a couple of lines or a paragraph that adds values.
 * How can you decide if you have authority to change an existing a new page?
 * If you feel you are adding value to an existing set of content, then go ahead. If you do something that someone else thinks isn't good enough, they will change/add it - so it doesn't matter if it's considered "wrong".  This is how collective intelligence will work, we all build upon each others knowledge.  Also NOTE: No content is ever
 * Always be willing and ready to have your content changed/improved at some time in the future.
 * At some point we will probably start involving editors etc like WikiPedia does - in order to deal with disputes or approve controversial edits etc.

Pre-Meeting Notes
Details about meeting on Rebel Wisdom Circle here (you'll need to be logged in)

Possible things we could discuss in meeting:-


 * Quick intros
 * What we want to discuss in the meeting (no more than 5 minutes ideally?, or will have too little time to do the actual discussion!)
 * 2 minutes (timed) each to talk about our own ideas, reason for involvement etc?
 * Feedback from anyone about what came up
 * Things we could do to get started on the Wiki e.g.:-
 * Each person spend a few minutes creating login on Wiki and creating user page like one at User:Shalsey - possibly with more content about their own ideas etc
 * Each person create a "proper" page on the site about something they are interested in. Doesn't have to "pollute" the existing site by having any links to it?
 * Create an easy to follow How To Use This Wiki page with guidance on who can edit (anyone!) and very easy to follow guide to how to edit pages (with links to good pages on WikiPedia and MediaWiki help sites etc)? (Maybe with a quick demo from someone of each of the above operations, sub-sites, etc - unless this is common knowledge ( and I, Danie, just need to catch up.)
 * Think up one thing we could do that is very simple to get started e.g. do a SenseMaking session / inquiry about a topic and then create a page with notes about what we learnt afterwards?
 * Agree that Wiki exploration is a good first step - to help us evaluate its ease of collaboration and dynamic shifting without assuming it is the endpoint. (Still some interest in Roam and Liminal Learning platform modes?)
 * 
 * Maybe leave detailed discussion of possible Categories/Structure of site to specific meeting (as could get quite involved)?
 * Maybe leave detailed discussion of the real "point" of the Wiki etc to another detailed meeting? Or discuss now?  Choice is: more discussion or more doing (at start?).
 * Avoiding getting too controlling (at the start anyway) about what goes on the site and how it structured??? Maybe if one person desires a particular structure or type of content or level of control then that can be done by having a Category of the site which forms a "sub-site" where all of that applies?  Some basic rules/idea/structure could be useful, but also want to create maximum level of "emergent" content and freedom on the site as well.
 * Next steps: Another meeting? (if so, what time suits people?)  Individuals chats on phone?  Continue discussion on Circle thread?  SenseMaking session?

Meeting Minutes
Attendees: Dani, Steve and Matthias

Future meetings (if just us three) could happen at 11amPST (Dani) = 7pm BST = 8pm CST.

Dani:-


 * Can't stand having to look through lots of threads and mess to understand things.
 * Trusting community
 * Gets a bit lost in Circle.

Matthias:-


 * Wanted to float the idea weeks ago. Mixed feelings about Circle.  Gets overwhelmed by all the conversations.  Doesn't use Facebook (Hates it).  Conversations = one parts of the Sensemaking.  Additionally feel needs the synthesis.
 * Really likes idea of trusting the community to create useful content.

Steve:-


 * Worrying about keeping mess of collaboration separate from structured sensemaking. Decided with others to leave this until later (possibly could end up with 2 completely separate wikis to prevent pollution, but maybe MediaWiki could have something to solve that within one Wiki?) "Let's not put the cart before the horse here".

Matthias - would be good to have a nice landing page. Currently landing page doesn't link to any other pages. Landing page at Main Page

Could have things like:-


 * How to get started with Sensemaking
 * Page about key people
 * List of popular videos
 * Reading list
 * Activities related to Sensemaking

Steve thought Main Page is locked down currently. UPDATE AFTER MEETING: Steve tested it and the Main Page is not locked down, it just has an incorrect notice on it that is incorrect that says only Admins can edit it. In fact only people who aren't logged in cannot edit it. I've added some links to recently added pages, and put a suggestion to fix the Notice at Suggestions For The Rebel Wisdom Wiki

Dani - concerned that writing this Wiki involves a certain amount of interpreting.

Follow up Actions:-


 * Steve to create How To Use To This Wiki page and send to to Dani, Dani to read and use to edit Wiki and comment (maybe on Talk page?) and then arrange Zoom call with Steve discuss.
 * Matthias to create page about What Could Be On Landing Page (mock up?)
 * Later, once got hang of using Wiki, Dani to decide on page to create.

Dani - really interested in MindMap of existing sensemaking (could STeve dig up?) + Matthius interested in whether we could use tool for MediaWiki to generate MindMap.

Pre-Meeting Notes
Steve interested in discussing:-


 * Tactics for inviting others to be involved in:-
 * Adding content to the Main Page :-
 * could email people each of know directly and ask if there's something they feel drawn to add a new page on?
 * Could add a note to any threads on Circle (not spamming lots of them) letting them know about the Wiki and inviting to contribute
 * Could mention if relevant in any meetings
 * Could ask JoNell whether a shout out could be made about the Wiki by her or David/Ali inviting people to contribute on any RW emails/videos/conf calls?
 * Glossary --separate link may be good introduction
 * A visit to "GameB Wiki"(got link from JoNell).
 * Documenting their collaboration on the Wiki:-
 * What kinds of collaboration are going on that could maybe benefit from documenting what they are doing on the Wiki?
 * Do we want to do more collaboration amongst ourselves or with others and document it?

One question: should we even be thinking about "tactics" for getting other people to use the Wiki? That seems a bit like doing something just because we are involved in it, and not for real good reasons? Maybe better to think about finding out whether this tool could be useful to others by letting them know about it, and if it turns out not, then leave it alone for the moment?

Meeting Points carried over from prior meetings:


 * Danie - concerned that writing this Wiki involves a certain amount of interpreting.
 * Danie - really interested in MindMap of existing sensemaking (could STeve dig up?) + Matthius interested in whether we could use tool for MediaWiki to generate MindMap.
 * Matthias - Page on How to get started with Sensemaking
 * Danie -  ask Alex Goodall for demonstration of how he uses Roam Research and The Liminal Learning Portal (Alex offered to collaborate on Glossary -- I will reach out to him)

Zoom Details
Time: Tuesday Dec 8, 2020 7:30 PM GMT London, 8:30pm CST, 11:30am PST.

Topic: 3rd RW Wiki Crew Meeting

https://zoom.us/j/93155237898?pwd=anFuMkFHdENEZ3dyZHFxajRoN2xmdz09

Meeting ID: 931 5523 7898

Passcode: Find this on https://rebel-wisdom.circle.so/c/wiki-crew/wiki-crew-zoom-meetings thread by searching for comment containing "3rd RW Wiki Crew Meeting" (RW members only)